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georgiag

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Hi everyone,

I was wondering whether there is a stable version of old ML that can be downloaded from somewhere.
Back in 2015 there seemed to be some confusion about a properly working version of old ML and where it can be downloaded from (http://forums.monkeylogic.org/post/errors-in-the-current-ml-package-7752047?highlight=old+ml&pid=1289504152).
Going through different topics in the forum, I realized that v. 1.2.86 on GITHUB (most recent version linked on the ML website) is reported to have some performance issues (http://forums.monkeylogic.org/post/extra-long-itis-8300280).
Btw, if one installs v.1.2.86, Matlab reports that it runs v. 1.1.85 (unless we are doing something wrong).

What is the most recent version of old ML that can run with java enabled? Where can one download it from?

It would be extremely helpful if the ML website was updated. A reference to the currently available versions (including NIMH) and their configuration requirements as well as links to download it from would help a lot. You've been doing a terrific job over these years and as system specs and software versions change it is becoming very hard to keep track of all the changes from the forum alone.

Thanks a lot ahead of time
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Jaewon

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Sorry for the confusion.

Do you have any reason to use the old ML? The old ML is not compatible with MATLAB's new graphics engine (R2014b or later) and cannot be executed on R2016a or later. And it needs two DAQ boards.

If you still need it, I think this is the version closest to the "Oct 14, 2014" that used to be linked in the original ML website.
https://github.com/Dfreedmanlab/MonkeyLogic_stable/

NIMH MonkeyLogic is developed independently of the old ML, but supports tasks written for the old ML. If you have any problem in running your task in NIMH ML, I can help.
https://goo.gl/wuxWg7


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georgiag

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Thanks a lot Jaewon.

I'll check out the old ML version you suggested. My understanding was that there was a fix at some point for the graphics problems associated with using it with newer versions of Matlab.
It's good to know that it is not compatible with Matlab 2014b or later. I will try it in an old machine with Matlab 2013b. This is an old PC with a Xeon W3550 Quad core at 3.06GHz and 3 GB of RAM (the old ML version running matlab 2009 in the nojvm mode did not require much more).

But you are right, it may be easier to switch to NIMH ML2 and eventually we will.

If we were to try NIMH ML2 in this old PC would you have any specific recommendations on upgrading this system (besides adding RAM) so that NIMH ML2 would run without problems?

Many thanks again.
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Jaewon

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It was not really a fix. It just made MATLAB stop drawing the control screen, if the job couldn't be done quickly. So the control screen looked more skippy. You would be better off by sticking to the old MATLAB (R2014a or earlier), if you have to use the old ML.

NIMH ML does not have any hardware requirement. If you can run MATLAB, you can run NIMH ML. It just requires MATLAB R2011a or later and JAVA must be enabled. You can even install both NIMH ML and the old ML on the same machine. Just restart MATLAB when you switch between them.

If you have 32-bit Windows, adding more RAM is useless, because the system cannot utilize it. Just buy a new computer.

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JFF

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Hi Jaewon,
I used old monkeylogic before,a few months ago the system just broken,and I need to repair it. 
here are my questions :
1、if i still use the old ML(https://github.com/Dfreedmanlab/MonkeyLogic_stable/),do i still need to install the 32 bit MATLAB(R2014a or earlier)?must JAVA be enabled?
2、because you said i  can even install both NIMH ML and the old ML on the same machine. Just restart MATLAB to switch between them,if I use the NIMH ML2,can it be be executed on 32 bit MATLAB(R2011a to R2014a)? 
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JFF

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Hi Jaewon,
I can't download the NIMH ML2 in this website https://www.nimh.nih.gov/labs-at-nimh/research-areas/clinics-and-labs/ln/shn/monkeylogic/download.shtml ,  after i click the download button,it seems need my users name and password,but i don't have an account.besides,i want to learn something about the interface of monkeylogic,but i can't get the interface schematics in ftp://helix.nih.gov/lsn/monkeylogic/ML2_Interfaces/MonkeyLogic2_Interface_for_PCI-6229_or_PCIe6323_v5.pdf  as well,because of the same reason.
搜狗截图20181223174330.png

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Edward

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Attached are the files in question
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Jaewon

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JFF,

Answers to your questions:
1. Yes. No.
2. Yes. NIMH ML requires Java to be enabled, though.

It is an anonymous FTP and doesn't require the username and password. We know some people have problem in accessing the NIH FTP from abroad and are trying to fix it.

The interface schematic is just a design example. Try googling 'PCIe 6323 pinout' for more information.
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